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Existing in the world of the arts as a mixed-race actor is a unique experience. You don’t quite know where you fit in and don’t often see someone like you on the screen or stage. Thankfully, times are changing, and as an EDI consultant, I see this as a special opportunity to address some difficult topics in a loving and joyful environment. This is a huge part of why I’m so grateful Corbin Bleu joins me for this episode!
Corbin and I recently had the chance to work on the world premiere of Summer Stock at Goodspeed Opera House. This cast and crew came together in such a special way! Corbin shares about that experience as well as what it was like growing up in the arts, life as a child actor, and advice he has for all stage and screen actors. I know you’re going to love pretty much everything Corbin shares, so let the show begin!
In this episode, we cover:
What Corbin’s currently working on
How to navigate a new partnership on a production you’re returning to
How Corbin got into theater (his origin story)
What almost took Corbin away from acting
Corbin’s experience being part of the High School Musical series
The support systems he’s had around him throughout the years
What Corbin’s learned about establishing boundaries
What his process is when he’s given a role or asked to join a production
What Corbin has to share about rejection and failures
Corbin’s advice specifically for actors
Corbin’s journey into these leading man in the Golden Age roles
Kira and Corbin’s collaboration together on Summer Stock
An honest conversation about what it’s like to be a mixed-race actor
What’s your biggest takeaway from this conversation? Please come find Corbin and me—we’d love to hear from you!
More About Corbin Bleu
Corbin Bleu is an incredible multi-hyphenate with an extensive film, television, and theater background. He is probably best known for his role as Chad Danforth in Disney's Emmy Award-winning High School Musical franchise. His Broadway credits include Irving Berlin's Holiday Inn, In the Heights, Little Shop of Horrors, and Summer Stock at Goodspeed Opera House.
Corbin is the Chair of the National Advisory Board of the Looking Ahead Program, a division of Entertainment Community Fund, formerly known as The Actors Fund, and dedicates himself to giving back through programs such as St. Jude's Children's Hospital, Starlight Children's Foundation, and the Make-A-Wish Foundation.
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Thanks for joining me on this episode of Inclusive Stages! If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a review on Apple or Spotify to help me reach even more theater makers, theater artists, and theater lovers who want to make our industry a better place for everyone.
Thanks to our music composer, Zachary McConnell, and our producer, Leah Bryant.
More about the Inclusive Stages Podcast
Welcome to 'Inclusive Stages' -- the go-to weekly podcast for theater makers, theater artists, and theater lovers who want to make our industry a better place for everyone. We'll chat with actors, directors, designers, scholars, and more about the current landscape of the theater scene and get their thoughts on how we can do better.
Host Kira Troilo will also give you a sneak peek into live EDI coaching sessions and offer actionable tips for creating more equitable, inclusive, and empathetic theater spaces that support and value the diversity of artists and audiences. Join the conversation, and let's collectively shape the future of care-forward creative spaces, one stage at a time.
The unedited podcast transcript for this episode of the Inclusive Stages podcast follows
Kira Troilo (00:02.082)
Hi Corbin. How are you?
Corbin Bleu (00:03.637)
Bye, Kira. I'm so good. It's great to see you. Bye.
Kira Troilo (00:09.518)
It's so great to see you, I'm so excited to have you, and I know you're not even home, so thank you so much!
Corbin Bleu (00:16.129)
No, I'm currently in a hotel in Atlanta. I'm working on a game show right now called 25 Words or Less. I literally just arrived from Kansas City doing a Comic-Con there. So I'm bouncing all over the place. Today was the one day that it was able to work out, and I appreciate you having me. Thank you so much. Anything for you.
Kira Troilo (00:34.73)
Truly, ah, truly my pleasure. Sure, we'll talk about it later, but it was obviously my pleasure to meet you and work with you, and you're just doing such amazing things. So yeah, I'm just so glad this worked out and as you jet off home and then back to New York.
Corbin Bleu (00:37.678)
Ha ha!
Corbin Bleu (00:51.045)
Yes, head back to NYC. Yeah, after I leave Atlanta, I go to LA for one week. Again, one more week at home before I head to New York to return to Little Shop of Horrors as Seymour.
Kira Troilo (00:57.706)
Mm-hmm. Yes!
Kira Troilo (01:05.85)
Yes, and how, before we talk about who you're returning with, how was the first experience? How was it being there playing Seymour with Constance Wu?
Corbin Bleu (01:10.17)
Mm-hmm.
Corbin Bleu (01:16.101)
Incredible. I mean, I grew up with that movie. I didn't see a production until a little bit later. I think I saw my first production when I was around maybe 1920, but I grew up with the film as a child. I have always been obsessed with Little Shop of Horrors. It's on my rota... The album's been on my rotation for forever.
Kira Troilo (01:28.438)
Hmm.
Corbin Bleu (01:41.365)
Seymour is a role that I have always wanted to play, but definitely not a role that I ever thought I actually would play. And the way this came about, they had reached out to me earlier when the show was in its earlier part of its run, and I wasn't even available. I was working on a different project. And I think it was something that my team probably knew that they, you know,
Kira Troilo (01:48.555)
Right.
Kira Troilo (02:01.675)
Mm.
Corbin Bleu (02:11.713)
even be able to happen. So I didn't even know that connection had occurred. And it wasn't until recently when I had this break in time and they came back and said, do you want to join the production? And it worked out because Will, our MD, he actually also worked on our workshop for summer stock that you and I did together.
And it was after us working together again, the after us working together on that, that he was like, so do we think that little shop could happen? And I was like, so that needs to happen. What are you talking about? And I ended up, yeah, truly. And I mean, it was, it was such a dream getting to work on that show with a phenomenal cast. Our puppetry, the production is just beautiful. The puppetry is incredible. It is...
Kira Troilo (02:36.566)
Yes!
Kira Troilo (02:48.502)
Dream roll!
Corbin Bleu (03:04.725)
It is a wild ride of a role. I didn't give it enough credit. I mean, I knew, as I said, I grew up with it. I've been a fan of it. But I didn't even realize how much stepping into the role. You know, it's a comedy, and it's wacky, and it's fun. But Seymour specifically is on such a –
Kira Troilo (03:08.758)
Hmm
Corbin Bleu (03:30.909)
difficult journey throughout. Like, he's, I'm constantly full of fear and sadness. There's so much death surrounding me, and he's abused. And like, so just to, I mean, you know, when you're watching it from the outside as an audience member, everything's at his expense. And it's funny, and it's lighthearted. But when you're actually in it, you're like, oh, this is a lot of turmoil. So I do have a bit of a ritual every day to just sort of
Kira Troilo (03:41.266)
so much.
Corbin Bleu (04:00.857)
Let it all go and so I can start a new day fresh.
Kira Troilo (04:05.598)
You know that I am very happy to hear that because yeah, we'll get into this more, but right, there's so much you have to access in yourself to portray roles and comedy can be deceptive because we think, oh, it's just light, it's fun, but right, like you have literally blood right on your hands and are killing people every day.
Corbin Bleu (04:08.142)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (04:17.044)
Truly.
Corbin Bleu (04:25.649)
Yes. And not wanting to. He so doesn't want to. And that's what I love about the show too, is it asks you what would you do. Because he gets put into these situations where it seems like he doesn't have a choice. And of course, that's the answer, right? Is we always have a choice.
Kira Troilo (04:27.934)
that is unique to our field.
Kira Troilo (04:43.554)
Right.
Kira Troilo (04:48.074)
Yeah, right.
Corbin Bleu (04:48.637)
So what would you do? Yeah.
Kira Troilo (04:52.761)
Well, I'm really hoping to see you in it coming up because you're going to be starring instead now with Jinx Monsoon.
Corbin Bleu (05:00.533)
Yeah, I had such a great time working with Constance. She is a lovely person and a wonderful actress and singer. And I know that so many people didn't even know her singing chops and getting to work with her every single day and seeing her talent and skill on stage, that was a wonderful thing. I'm going to miss her. I'm gonna miss her as my Audrey because we went into the show together and we went out to the show together. We made history together.
Kira Troilo (05:05.504)
Mm.
Kira Troilo (05:21.834)
love. I'm sure.
Kira Troilo (05:29.844)
Yes, truly.
Corbin Bleu (05:29.897)
being the first Black Seymour Asian Audrey duo, that was incredible. So I really am going to miss her. But I am also so excited for this new chapter in Little Shop for me getting to work with Jinx Monsoon. So Jinx was my first introduction to Drag Race. The first season that I ever watched was Jinx's season.
Kira Troilo (05:54.326)
Mm-hmm. Same.
Corbin Bleu (05:58.281)
And I fell in love with her from the beginning. The, like, at the top, when we got introduced to everyone, we first started seeing a few challenges, I was like, her, she needs to win this. I'm obsessed with her. She's so perfect. And I was rooting for her the whole time. And when she ended up winning, I was, I mean, I was a fan back then. So, and again, just such a dream come true, something that I never thought that this would.
Kira Troilo (06:21.42)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (06:27.965)
that I'd be playing opposite her in Little Shop of Horrors? What? It's just, not at all, not at all. So I am beyond excited to, and it's gonna be so different. So I mean, I know this show now, like the back of my hand. I'm very aware of just all the ups and downs, the nuances and the story inside out and.
Kira Troilo (06:32.846)
That was not on the bingo card.
Kira Troilo (06:43.671)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (06:54.389)
and I am about to be thrown into an entirely different show. I have never experienced this before, returning to a show with a different actor as my partner. Of course, I have worked with understudies and swings before, but usually that is for such a short period of time. And even though it is a whirlwind, it is –
Kira Troilo (07:03.598)
Mmm.
Kira Troilo (07:08.578)
Hmm
Corbin Bleu (07:21.801)
It's like anything, you just keep going and majority of the time everything runs pretty smooth. But this is truly, it's not like a temporary thing. This is, no, we're going in and this is going to be a brand new production of this dynamic that we find with each other.
Kira Troilo (07:41.802)
Right, and it is brand new, right? Because you can't take what you built with Constance and carry it over with Jinx. It's gonna be like a whole new partnership and that makes a whole new show. Love that. Oh, so exciting.
Corbin Bleu (07:50.801)
Yeah, yeah, I'm excited for it though. I'm excited for the journey, yeah.
Kira Troilo (07:56.414)
Yes! Okay, we've got to back up because I just got excited to talk about Little Shop. But I always ask every guest to start with what your theatre origin story is, which I don't think I know. I think I know your film origin story, but I don't know your theatre origin story.
Corbin Bleu (08:01.201)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (08:06.894)
Ah.
Corbin Bleu (08:13.013)
So they're not too far off because I grew up doing all of it. My father's an actor as well. And he started doing it from way before I was born. He started in college. My mom also used to do it. That's actually how they had met. They're not together anymore, but that's how they had met. They worked on a film together. And my mom actually went to LaGuardia in New York.
the high school and she was in the theater department there. And the, my dad would go to auditions when I was born. And because my mom was working, you know, he would actually have to take me with him to the audition. So I grew up going into the casting offices and just sitting in the waiting room.
And I literally grew up around the industry. So I've always been very comfortable with it and understood just the flow and how it works. And I was very lucky that I had a mentor in my father. You know, and they really wanted to make sure I'm the oldest of four kids, and I am the only one of us that is in the industry. All of my younger sisters all took different paths.
Kira Troilo (09:16.703)
Yeah.
Kira Troilo (09:23.977)
Oh wow.
Kira Troilo (09:32.416)
Hmm.
Corbin Bleu (09:32.445)
and I'm so happy they did because you have to be crazy to join this business. You have to truly love it. And none of them, you know, I think the one right under me, Hunter had tried some of it for a few years and she decided that it wasn't for her. She's an optometrist. One of my sisters, she graduated from Stanford for aerospace engineering. She's now studying mechanical engineering. And then I've got another sister who's at school to be a nurse.
Kira Troilo (09:37.847)
Yep.
Yes.
Kira Troilo (09:48.023)
Mm-hmm.
Corbin Bleu (10:02.249)
So they really, and my parents always nurtured whatever it was that was our passion. They gave me my first pair of tap shoes and I was in love. I would dance through the grocery aisles all the time. Like I was always performing, always quoting movies. So I started literally at two years old professionally.
Kira Troilo (10:27.672)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (10:27.697)
I worked on my first commercial when I was two years old, and I also started doing a lot of modeling. I was a print model for Ford agency, and I worked for Tommy Hilfiger and Gap Kids. Like, you know, you go to the Gap, and you see in Gap Kids all the posters. Like, that was me. So, yeah, just always a ham. And then I worked off-Broadway when I was six. That was my first, yeah, that was my first.
Kira Troilo (10:36.203)
Mm.
Kira Troilo (10:40.258)
Yeah.
Kira Troilo (10:45.314)
That was you.
Kira Troilo (10:53.834)
Oh wow!
Corbin Bleu (10:56.693)
a theater gig and I worked, it was this very dark, depressing play called Tiny Kim is Dead. And it was, it's sort of a Christmas Carol story but told through a very, very dark lens. It's the group of house people that are kind of telling the story, this young orphaned
boy and by the end he ends up getting abandoned. That was me who was playing the young boy and he ends up getting banned at the end of the show and it was super sad. But I got at six years old, I got to work with all of these incredible professional theater actors. And again, I tried sports growing up. It wasn't my thing. By the time I reached high school, I was
Kira Troilo (11:26.209)
Mm-hmm.
Kira Troilo (11:44.718)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (11:55.065)
I knew I wanted arts in my life, but I wasn't sure if it was necessarily going to be my career forever. And I considered other things. I considered becoming a pediatrician at one point. I was accepted into Stanford for psychology. And it was that same year that I booked high school. And I was very much considering that. And thank you. And it was my that same year that I was accepted into school that I booked High School Musical.
Kira Troilo (11:57.15)
Mm-hmm.
Kira Troilo (12:11.995)
I could see both of those things.
Corbin Bleu (12:25.457)
And I had this path now, I had a choice. And just like Seymour, yeah, I had a choice. And I thought about it, and of course, there was many, many discussions with my parents, and ultimately, my thought process was, well, I could always return to school if I wanted to. But with this industry, as we know,
Kira Troilo (12:31.237)
choice. Just like Seymour bringing it back.
Corbin Bleu (12:52.621)
those opportunities aren't always necessarily there. And you have to strike while the iron is hot. So I did. And lo and behold, that ended up being the project that completely changed the trajectory of my career. And there were so many other moments after that led to my Broadway career. And I wouldn't change my path for anything. I'm...
Kira Troilo (13:13.387)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (13:21.653)
I'm truly happy with my decision. I don't have any regrets in that realm.
Kira Troilo (13:26.902)
That's amazing. And I just am finding the more people I talk to, the more I find so many actors that specifically are interested in psychology and some of these other fields, right, where we like dig into how and why people act certain ways. And it's just all tied in. I feel like that makes a better actor to have that kind of skill. Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (13:28.073)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (13:47.989)
Because it's what we do. We're stepping into other people's shoes and minds. And so I think the fascination with how people pick is just sort of ingrained into us.
Kira Troilo (13:58.666)
Yeah, exactly. I wanna talk mostly theater, but I have to ask, how was the experience on High School Musical? As someone, you said you'd grown up in the industry, so you knew how it worked. How did that feel?
Corbin Bleu (14:12.405)
So because I've always been a theater nerd, I don't need to get into everything, but I did go to an arts high school. I was in the theater department there. I went to LA County High School for the Arts. I went to a dance academy. I was actually – when Debbie Allen's Dance Academy, when she first opened the academy the first year, I was one of her first boys that was there.
Kira Troilo (14:20.211)
We can't.
Corbin Bleu (14:39.969)
And so that, you know, I, so I, theater and performance art has always been my love. And what was so incredible with High School Musical is we got to do all of it together. We got to sing and we got to dance and we got to act and we also got to do it on screen. And I feel like it was such a unique experience and working with Kenny Ortega specifically as our director, who is such a legend and such a brilliant man.
Kira Troilo (14:53.942)
Bye!
Kira Troilo (15:04.918)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (15:09.397)
and who was working with kids. I mean, I was 15 when we shot the first High School Musical movie. And we were children. And he did not treat us like kids. We were very, there was a lot that was expected of us. And I look back on it now, and of course I know that it was a...
Kira Troilo (15:17.042)
Right, literal children. Yep.
Corbin Bleu (15:36.661)
it was stressful and there was a lot, as I said, there was a lot that was expected of us. But when I think back on it, I mean, the amount of experience and discipline and just what a better performer it made me, having that expectation and him wanting that perfection, I feel like one, it made the movies what they were.
Kira Troilo (15:54.07)
Hmm
Corbin Bleu (16:05.133)
But two, I know it made so much of who I am today. And I think back about all my different teachers over the years, from my dad to Debbie Allen and all of the, my teachers there, all of my teachers at LACSA working with Kenny. All of this happened in such formative years as a child and into my teenage years. But I feel like by the time I got to my, like my early 20s, I had already worked side by side with so many.
incredible professionals that again demanded so much of me that you know in this industry with and with Broadway you don't get that slack you know you need it yeah it is a very difficult and an industry that you need to give every ounce of your being and I feel like that preparation
Kira Troilo (16:45.569)
No.
Corbin Bleu (16:57.277)
When I, by the time I made my way into Broadway, I know there are actors who have come from also film and television that when they start working in theater, they go, oh my God, how do you do this? I can't do this every day. And for me, I was like, this is what we do. Like, this is, I don't expect anything less of myself. Yeah, yeah.
Kira Troilo (17:13.346)
this is what we do. I was listening to an interview with I think it was Taraji P. Henson who played Shug in the color purple movie and I hope I'm right but I think she said something like they had offered her Broadway and she was like I can't do it eight times a week I just want to do it once. so yeah oh yeah it's that mindset um and I yeah I
Corbin Bleu (17:21.909)
Mmm.
Corbin Bleu (17:33.204)
Hahaha, yeah, yeah.
Kira Troilo (17:42.494)
I want to ask you a little bit about just like how you see work so hard on these jobs. You say it's such a demanding thing. Looking back, like were there support systems for you? Was it like, oh, we were just expected to be, you know, be amazing and go.
Corbin Bleu (17:59.985)
So, so I'll go back to my parents again. I'm very lucky that I had them. They really were a wonderful support system on so many accounts. One to remember, because when High School Musical hit, everything changed. That it was no, I mean, I was always a hard worker and it was always about the discipline and all of a sudden now there was this other wrench monkey wrench that was thrown into the combination of.
fame and success and fandom. And so many, and again, at such a young age, in my teenage years, and that we know that the Disney machine, that young success, that Hollywood child actors, they often end up coming out on the other side of that pretty messed up. And I think that so much of that is because your perception gets so,
Kira Troilo (18:31.36)
Yeah.
Kira Troilo (18:39.234)
Right.
Corbin Bleu (18:58.677)
skewed of what the goal is. And I feel like my parents did such a great job throughout that whole process, one, not surrounding me with yes people. Because to this day, I have one of the best teams in this business. My managers, my agents, they are family.
Kira Troilo (19:03.183)
Mmm.
Kira Troilo (19:12.122)
Mmm.
Corbin Bleu (19:26.237)
tell me the truth and they tell it like it is and they don't sugarcoat shit. So when it comes to, yeah, and they, we all have the same goal in mind of longevity and the work. And I feel like that was the same thing that my parents instilled in me too was that all of this is great. But remember what you're doing. Remember that it's about the work and it's about the art and it's about the joy because I feel like
Kira Troilo (19:47.554)
Hmm.
Corbin Bleu (19:54.813)
That's another thing, and not that I didn't go through my own stuff, especially being through the Disney machine, I definitely had to go through a lot of well-being changes and mental changes in my mid to late 20s of knowing that I am not a slave to the,
Kira Troilo (20:14.285)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (20:24.501)
to appeasing people. Because again, with that particular spotlight, you've got a lot of – you're now a teen icon. And there are other kids that are looking up to you. So you don't want to be that bad influence. And I feel like because again, I'm such a focused, hardworking person, I took that to such an extreme level.
Kira Troilo (20:39.743)
Right!
Corbin Bleu (20:54.269)
that even if anyone was rude to me on the street, or a fan that would come up to me that was truly expecting something from me, I was like, yeah, sure, okay, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And yeah, and I think that with that mentality, it took a lot of time to change, that I'm like, no, I don't owe you anything. As far as I'm appreciative, I'm absolutely appreciative of anyone that comes.
to see my work or goes to see a show, but no matter what the transaction is, my work is I show up on set and I do my job. And then the following transaction is you pay for a ticket to go see that work. In the same way that you go pay for a ticket to go into a museum or you go and you pay for an experience at a restaurant, whatever it might be, that's the transaction. If I'm walking down the street,
Kira Troilo (21:40.863)
Yes.
Kira Troilo (21:47.968)
Mm-hmm.
Corbin Bleu (21:53.081)
That's no longer part of that transaction. I am now taking time out of it. And the thing is, is I enjoy those experiences. I enjoy having one-on-one time with the fans. So what I do, I will take the pictures and I will sign the autographs and I will have that moment. But the second, there's this energy of I owe you something. Or if you were not treated, if there isn't a mutual respect, I'm not going to put up with it.
Kira Troilo (21:55.522)
No.
Kira Troilo (22:23.528)
No.
Corbin Bleu (22:23.741)
And I think that was something that I had to learn more on my own. But again, the support system with having certain people, that learning curve, I feel like truly came a lot from my wife. What I feel like when I got with her, that was, it is, having a support system and having people to look out for you and take care of you, it is such a huge thing. And I attribute to my family, to my wife.
Kira Troilo (22:38.025)
Mmm.
Corbin Bleu (22:53.173)
to my team and yeah, it means everything. And then, and friends, surrounding yourself with the right group of people, because I've dealt with that too, that there was a time in my life that we had to start to cut out certain people and it was a difficult time, but you do it for your own wellbeing and for your future and it's...
Kira Troilo (23:12.098)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (23:23.062)
because it's just not the right energies that you need to surround yourself with.
Kira Troilo (23:27.002)
Exactly. And it's hard, but it has to be done. You're a human being at the end of the day. You're like, you are your art. So if you're not caring for yourself, if you don't surround yourself with those people who fuel you, then what do you have to give? Yeah. Ugh, yeah. No, it is always to me what stands out that people who are like you, who are so kind, who seem to be thriving and doing so well.
Corbin Bleu (23:41.959)
Absolutely.
Kira Troilo (23:55.434)
It's a support system, but it's also like a clear why. I feel like you have a really clear set of values and like knowing why you're going into each job. I'd love to hear you talk more about like, what is that process like when you get accepted or when you get offered a role or like an ass comes like Seymour, what's your kind of thought process through that, yeah.
Corbin Bleu (24:16.721)
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I always try to tell people that it doesn't matter what level you get to, there is always rejection. And it can be very deep. While I have been so fortunate in my career, I have also had major, major letdowns. And those are the things that people don't see. People will, you know, and it's just how we are with
Kira Troilo (24:28.607)
Hehehe
Kira Troilo (24:43.54)
No.
Corbin Bleu (24:45.909)
with society today too, with social media, we see people's successes. Because that's what we show, and that's what gets seen. But we don't see the failures. And I have had my share of failures. But I don't – it's not that I don't – I don't even want to say I don't focus on those because I feel like I do learn from them.
Kira Troilo (24:54.699)
Right.
Kira Troilo (24:58.972)
No.
Kira Troilo (25:12.874)
Mm.
Corbin Bleu (25:16.469)
Again, it is what you choose to – it is how you choose to perceive things. I definitely don't let any failures bog me down. Any failure or any sense of rejection, for me I am like, okay, onto the next one. I treat it the same way that I treat auditions. I walk into an audition. I prepare. I am ready.
Kira Troilo (25:28.749)
Mm.
Kira Troilo (25:41.074)
Mm.
Corbin Bleu (25:44.825)
I go, I do my best, and then I walk away, and I don't ever think about it again. And yeah, and it's not, and if I get that phone call, or I get that email that says, hey, they're interested, or you booked it, fantastic. All of a sudden, I'm like, wait, all right, that thing? Seriously? Oh my God.
Kira Troilo (25:52.014)
Good for you. You can't.
Kira Troilo (26:05.39)
Great.
Corbin Bleu (26:11.701)
But outside of that, I don't ever linger on it. I don't call them and go, did they like it? How was it? At that point, it's out of my hands. And so many people forget that there are so many factors. I have been on the other side of the table because I've also produced and I've also worked on projects where I'm a part of the casting process.
Kira Troilo (26:30.614)
Mm.
Corbin Bleu (26:36.457)
So I've been on the other side of the table too, and that's been so insightful to see people walk into the room that are wonderful, that are talented, that they go in, they nail the audition, but there are so many other factors of just, no matter what, you're cobbling together a team of people, and everyone needs to fit their own little puzzle piece perfectly. And...
Kira Troilo (26:56.558)
Mm-hmm. Right.
Corbin Bleu (27:04.585)
sometimes just because that person comes in and they nail the audition, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're the right fit for that puzzle piece. And so again, being on that side of the table that's been insightful for me to go, you know what, just because I go in there and I nail the audition doesn't mean I'm going to book the job because I might not be right for that job. There's another job that's waiting for me that I'm the right one for, but I'm not going to get that if I'm not ready and I'm not prepared.
Kira Troilo (27:13.26)
Right.
Corbin Bleu (27:29.801)
So that's the other thing is, as we know, success is when preparation meets the opportunity. So we need to always be preparing and we always need to be bettering ourselves.
Kira Troilo (27:43.134)
and not lingering on something that's out of our control. Because once you've walked out of the room, that's all you can do, right? I wanna just talk about some of your Broadway and theater credits. You and I, I really wanna talk about our work together, but I feel like what led there is that you've kind of, I feel like you've made a name for yourself as a leading man, but you tend to...
Corbin Bleu (27:49.269)
Exactly.
Corbin Bleu (27:55.605)
Sure.
Corbin Bleu (28:01.109)
Yeah.
Kira Troilo (28:10.114)
the you know in your credits you've done a lot of like classical and I'm using air quotes you know golden age thank you yeah um that you know they weren't written for people like us so I wonder yeah were those you said you know you had little shop which I it isn't technically golden age but you had I'm sure certain songs that you'd been singing or roles that you'd wanted um did you really was it like that you really wanted to play golden age
Corbin Bleu (28:14.965)
Yeah, golden age. Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (28:22.837)
looking.
Corbin Bleu (28:35.669)
So again, I grew up watching certain projects and loving certain projects. I don't know if they were things though that I ever saw myself in, just because I didn't have that example set before me.
Kira Troilo (28:39.83)
leading men or what was your journey kind of getting into that niche?
Kira Troilo (28:56.406)
Right.
Corbin Bleu (29:05.237)
I played Grease. I played Sonny. I also did Footloose, and I played Wren in Footloose. But I still feel like those projects, I don't know, I feel like in high school, I don't know, I feel like those are projects that will get done. And you get to – usually if they are done in a professional setting on Broadway, you don't usually see people like us. And it's not until –
Kira Troilo (29:07.923)
Of course.
Kira Troilo (29:32.628)
Bye, same.
Corbin Bleu (29:33.973)
It's not until more recent years. My Broadway debut was In the Heights, and I played Usnavi. So again, it's a project that had a lot more people of color, so it made sense. And then my second show was Godspell. I played Jesus. And again, and even that too, I feel like it's a project that it kind of, it makes sense. It was really, for me, it was Holiday Inn.
Kira Troilo (29:41.838)
Yes.
Kira Troilo (29:45.996)
Mm-hmm.
Kira Troilo (29:50.878)
Oh yeah, yes.
Corbin Bleu (30:02.261)
It was when I did Holiday Inn and I played Ted Hanover, which was a role that was originated by Fred Astaire in the movie, which when you go back and watch the movie, it is actually a very horrifying blackface scene that's in the film. Yeah, of course we didn't touch that number at all, but yeah, we'll just set that over there. But that...
Kira Troilo (30:02.666)
Mmm.
Kira Troilo (30:24.79)
just put it over there. Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (30:31.413)
I feel like that was the role that really started the industry seeing that I fit well into these characters. And it was also for me, where I fit well into these characters and my voice. Coming after a high school musical, I was doing so many pop genre. I was involved in so much music within the pop genre.
which made sense, it was catering to that demographic. I had also put out two albums myself with Hollywood Records and it was all very pop driven, all wanting me to sing super high and in the stratosphere. And I really actually, I'm more of a Barry Kenner and I didn't get to cultivate this beautiful deeper tone. And that too, it wasn't until holiday end that I was like, oh my God, this is...
Kira Troilo (31:21.483)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (31:31.413)
I remember that audition, I self taped in Los Angeles. And I remember they sent the music over and I remember just working on it and going, God, this just feels so good. It fits so right. And it wasn't music that even if I would go into auditions and like my book, it wasn't those types of songs that I would sing. I would tend to sing musicals that were so much more
Kira Troilo (31:40.779)
Okay.
Kira Troilo (31:57.377)
Mm.
Corbin Bleu (32:00.821)
within the pop world, even though I did grow up watching all of the old school MGM movies because I have such a love for dance. You know, Gene Kelly and Fred Astaire were heroes of mine. Again, it wasn't something that I would necessarily audition with because I didn't think that that was something that I would ever see myself in. But now this opportunity comes about, I end up doing it. I guess to showcase tap dancing, which I've been doing since I was
Kira Troilo (32:13.786)
Mm-hmm
Corbin Bleu (32:25.333)
two years old, but I've never done it in a professional setting and no one's ever seen me do it. So now I'm like, oh, by the way, guess what? I do this too. So that was really, really cool. And, you know, it was after that, and all of a sudden this slew of golden age musical projects started to come about. And I, being a person of color, being a black man who is playing these roles that traditionally have never
Kira Troilo (32:25.858)
Here you go.
Kira Troilo (32:33.374)
tap dance? Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (32:55.157)
seen someone like this in that role professionally. And the other thing, what's interesting is most of the projects, it's just a blind casting. And which is great. I love that we were moving into, over the years moving into this realm that we're seeing that and we're able to do it. But...
What I really love is where it led to with us working together on what was currently at the time called Summer Stock, which I think we're going to have a name change. But at the time called Summer Stock based on the original MGM film with Gene Kelly and Judy Garland. And I'm playing the Gene Kelly role.
Kira Troilo (33:28.534)
Yes.
Kira Troilo (33:34.483)
Yes.
Kira Troilo (33:37.907)
So exciting.
Corbin Bleu (33:52.373)
And when we worked on that project together, we actually made that color conscious. So not only are we taking a project that never saw someone like me in that role, but we are actually turning it on its head and saying, no, no, no, we are actually from this point forward, we want this role to have someone that actually looks like me. And I feel like you had mentioned it earlier saying what does the future of inclusion look like? And to me it is that.
Kira Troilo (33:57.369)
Mm-hmm
Kira Troilo (34:18.679)
Yes.
Corbin Bleu (34:22.261)
It's creating opportunities that we can see a revolving door of people. I would love a show to be on Broadway where we can see just a revolving door of people of having these people of color that have not necessarily had the opportunity in the past to be able to continually play those roles.
Kira Troilo (34:29.834)
Mm.
Kira Troilo (34:39.052)
Yeah.
Kira Troilo (34:42.35)
100%. Yeah, and it is, it's the thing I talk all the time about colorblind and color conscious, and some people still are a little confused, but when you say colorblind, it's like, okay, well, we're asking people to be blind to something that they can see. So, you know, one of us is in a role that was traditionally, you know, played as someone white.
are we asking them to not see us? So to me it's just like it doesn't make sense to ask the audience to not see something so obvious as skin color. So yeah, coming into Summer Stock, it was just such an incredible opportunity for me to, because normally I work with people on shows that exist.
And we're like, okay, let's make it make sense. Let's justify why, you know? And that's so hard and it's important work, but this was a chance to craft something from scratch where you really could be the model and template for this role. Like as a black, you know, mixed race man in this role. And I feel like it was written in a way that that's how it's gotta be. Like that's the role.
Corbin Bleu (35:24.277)
Right.
Corbin Bleu (35:45.365)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (35:49.173)
Yeah.
Absolutely. Well, and credit to you so much for being in the room during that and what you just brought to the table because there were questions that you brought up that I feel like the fact that we all had to set and answer those questions, that's why it became what it was. You're so well versed in, not only so well versed in what you do, but you're also so
sensitive and aware and understanding and you just, you know how to bring everyone into the conversation in such an intelligent way and to make everyone feel comfortable in what can be a very uncomfortable conversation. And I feel like it's such a skill and it's something that I'm now really spoiled.
having had you in the room for the entirety of that project and the development of it. Because going forward, I didn't have questions. As we continued on, because I've because and again, we're talking about preparation, you know, I feel like all of those questions, we asked all of those questions, you helped to facilitate to guide that. And I always knew.
who I was and where I was on stage in that story because of that.
Kira Troilo (37:22.474)
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. I'll never forget that first day. I mean, I was so overwhelmed because of course, you know, you're there, there's so many people there who I admire, and to have you all say like, we've never had this before, it really was one of those moments in my life where I thought,
wow, like Corbin Bleu has never had the chance to sit down, talk about why he's there, like the racial dynamics, the any dynamics, it's just wild, it was wild to me. And then it just led to the most beautiful room of people who we could really talk things, like we really could get into some discussions. And to me from the outside, seeing it, you all just became a family. So yeah.
Corbin Bleu (38:13.045)
Because that's what today looks like too, right? We are, we are all mixed. We're all together. It's all races and genders and creeds and we're all, especially in the theater, it is such a beautiful mixing of people and an accepting group of people. And when we're trying to tell this story
when the story was created at the time that not that wasn't this that mentality wasn't the same How do we now find our way into that story? to make it make sense and And again, it's it's something that is it that can be a very uncomfortable conversation but but if it's if it's approached from a an intelligence standpoint and and from a place of being
Kira Troilo (38:53.914)
Mm-hmm.
Corbin Bleu (39:13.141)
aware and sensitive. I feel like it can be done with such a beautiful result.
Kira Troilo (39:21.326)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. And bringing, I mean, I'll always be grateful to Donna, Donna Fior, our director, like, for... Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, we'll just love on her for a minute. Like, a leader who knows that she needs other support. Um, like, you know, maybe we need some other people in here, and like, let's talk this through, and let's hear from the actors and what they believe and what they think.
Corbin Bleu (39:28.981)
Incredible.
Corbin Bleu (39:33.781)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (39:46.261)
The fact that she was such an advocate for you and having an EDI person there throughout the entire process and knew your work and wanted you there. I also, Donna always says, and not only says it, but lives by it, best idea wins. And that meant so much to me, because again, it's conversation. It's not, you're going to do this.
Kira Troilo (40:07.7)
Mm.
Kira Troilo (40:13.933)
Right.
Corbin Bleu (40:15.797)
and I'm not hearing anything. And it's not that not everyone's idea gets thrown in. That's not what it is. It's truly the best idea wins. It's that we are going to hear everything. Everyone has a voice. And ultimately, whatever is the best idea for this project, that's what's going to go through. And I also love how if there was something that didn't make sense.
that there were times for me that I brought up an idea, I brought something to the table. And if she didn't agree with it, she didn't just say no. She said, well, I don't think that because X, Y, Z. And I can go, absolutely, that makes sense. So let's not do that. And now because you brought that point across, that maybe makes me think, OK, well, what about this? And she goes,
see that's more the direction of what we're going in. So again, it's just having that conversation that back and forth that conversation. And I feel like not everyone has that ease and that mentality. So having a person that is an EDI consultant to be that facilitator in a scenario that might not be
Kira Troilo (41:17.366)
Hmm. It's a back and forth.
Corbin Bleu (41:43.957)
as collaborative is very, very helpful.
Kira Troilo (41:49.73)
Yeah, exactly. And just, thank you. I mean, yeah, it just, I just think so fondly of that group of people and just like even.
you know, you're playing a role that's Gene Kelly, and like, what are the expectations on you as a black man to play that role? And I just, I feel like we had so many great conversations and you were so collaborative with Donna that you created your role. I don't know if it felt that way to you. Like if you felt like you didn't have any expectations to live up to, really on either side of being Gene Kelly or like being a black man in this Gene Kelly role, like you really got to be Corbin, especially like in your big tap dance
Corbin Bleu (42:07.861)
Mm-hmm.
Kira Troilo (42:29.154)
creative you know?
Corbin Bleu (42:29.333)
Yeah, well, I it's funny because I do I relate to to Gene so much as far as just that that energy that charm, the joy there and the ease there. That's one thing when you watch Gene is every he makes everything look so easy. And it's because it's so joyful in what he's doing. And like even though what he's doing is so difficult. And and and
Kira Troilo (42:42.334)
Enjoy. Mm-hmm.
Kira Troilo (42:52.363)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (42:59.221)
uh makes you and makes you sweaty doesn't make make it look that way and and i i feel like that's something i i relate to to that um and i mean just just to get specific with with certain moments uh that we we had in the studio uh in in the rehearsal room you know i i loved that we had my character that is trying to get this
Kira Troilo (42:59.551)
It doesn't look it.
Corbin Bleu (43:28.661)
this musical up and running. Why is he having difficulty getting it up and running? It's because he's a black man, because we've had, because, and him and his partner, his writing partner, we were actually looking back at the year that this show takes place and looking at who was directing on Broadway at this time.
Kira Troilo (43:31.403)
Mm-hmm.
Kira Troilo (43:56.078)
That's right.
Corbin Bleu (43:56.309)
And it hadn't taken place yet, but it was very close to happening. So it makes sense for him to be in that time right now where he's attempting to be one of those firsts. And what does that require of him? And I love that we talked about assimilation because I feel that because we had
Kira Troilo (44:09.587)
Exactly.
Kira Troilo (44:18.976)
Mm-hmm.
Corbin Bleu (44:22.453)
You and I have talked about even his voice and how does he carry himself with who he's talking to. And how I talked to my writing partner was so much more, it felt so Black Man, it felt so much more relaxed. And then how I'm talking to other people when I'm presenting the role, it definitely felt like he was assimilating a lot more and trying to put on a certain face and put on a certain character to be seen.
Kira Troilo (44:29.302)
Right?
Kira Troilo (44:34.094)
who's also a black man.
Kira Troilo (44:38.428)
Mm-hmm.
Kira Troilo (44:48.302)
That's right. Mm-hmm.
Corbin Bleu (44:51.989)
And the relationship between him and Jane, who was played by phenomenal Danny Wade, who is a white woman. What does that mean at that time, too? And what does he see in her? And ultimately, it comes really what it comes down to is what she sees in him. Because there's a great moment in the show where he is trying to choreograph a dance and, again, trying to make it.
Kira Troilo (45:01.002)
Amazing, yep.
Mm-hmm.
Corbin Bleu (45:21.749)
assimilate to that time and she gets a glimpse of the real dancing that he does and what comes from his soul and she's like that's actually what we need to put in it and he goes I can't sell that. She's like you don't know if you don't try. So now you have this here, now you have this white woman who sees him for who he is and encourages it and ultimately that's what
Kira Troilo (45:24.813)
Right?
Kira Troilo (45:42.231)
Yeah.
Kira Troilo (45:47.202)
That's right.
Corbin Bleu (45:51.541)
brings them to success. All of these things are, when you watch the show, it's not written down in the dialogue so blatantly, so that it's not in your face. But all of these things, the fact that we discuss all of these things, when you watch the show, it's there. It's very apparent that it's there. You feel it and you see it.
Kira Troilo (46:13.64)
You feel it. Yes. Yep.
Corbin Bleu (46:16.885)
And again, that's where that preparation and that realness comes from of just having those conversations and saying, what does this mean? And all of those things can be things that I feel like a lot of people can be like, how do we talk about this? What do we talk about? And again, having someone like you who knows how to facilitate such conversations, I made all of the difference.
Kira Troilo (46:25.928)
Exactly.
Kira Troilo (46:43.75)
it really was such, I mean it's the most exciting number in the whole show, I think. Um, you know, it's that like big number in Act Two. Um, and we were able, because of our conversations, to tell a story of colorism, to tell a story of, you know, like the darker skinned dance captain who's like...
We want to do it the way we do it, right? And then the story that you and I, I was so grateful to have a conversation about like being mixed race and kind of being pulled and sometimes like, how do I act in different spaces? Like how amazing that we could tell that story in the 1950s, you know, in a genuine way. And I, every friend that I brought to the show, I was like, do you tell me what you think of everybody's stuff, you know? And they saw it, you know? And I think even audiences who had no idea we talked about all that, they feel it.
Corbin Bleu (47:04.661)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (47:10.965)
Yes.
Corbin Bleu (47:31.957)
Yeah.
Kira Troilo (47:33.473)
And a beautiful thing is we can have that as part of the story, and it doesn't have to be, you know, not every story that talks about race should be like trauma, despair, like ugh, no, like let's tell stories in like you're saying a joyful way as well. Mm-hmm.
Corbin Bleu (47:47.701)
Absolutely, absolutely. And we can tell it in a joyful way without ignoring the fact that there is trauma there and the fact that there's struggle there. Because we didn't, we were not ignoring it. We were actually tackling it head on trying to say, okay, well, what does that mean for this? But it's not necessarily in the dialogue, it's not necessarily written down that we need to see within every word that trauma.
Kira Troilo (47:56.93)
That's it.
Corbin Bleu (48:16.213)
And it is exactly that because black stories are also joyful stories.
Kira Troilo (48:16.289)
No.
Kira Troilo (48:22.122)
Yes, yes, we don't have to traumatize black actors to tell black stories. And that was, it was such a joyful again, like, and I think, I feel like that's your word, but like it was a joyful group. I think that, yeah, I mean, the black folks in the show had an amazing time from what I know, you know, and the show filled them with joy, but only because, right, we weren't ignoring what we had. We really went through it.
Corbin Bleu (48:25.461)
No! Yeah!
Corbin Bleu (48:41.717)
Oh yeah.
Corbin Bleu (48:48.885)
Exactly. Yeah. Same! Same year!
Kira Troilo (48:50.91)
I would talk to you all day, but it just, you know, you kind of... Well, hopefully, yeah, you can come back and tell us how Drake spawned soon and the new little shop went. But I would love, you already answered what inclusion is to you and that is, I'm very aligned with that. But what are you...
Corbin Bleu (49:00.021)
Yeah.
Kira Troilo (49:08.55)
In terms of inclusion, in terms of this work, because you said you're spoiled now, what are you looking for going forward? Like when you do, when you accept a project, or when you sign on, are there certain things that you're making sure are in place for your support, for the group's support, or just values that you're sticking to?
Corbin Bleu (49:24.501)
Well, I mean, even going into Little Shop right now, going back into Little Shop, that was something that – and again, everyone in the show is so wonderful. But those questions, everything what we were talking about just now, those were questions that I'm happy that I worked with you, and that we were able to address those things. Because those were things that on my own, going into Little Shop,
to ask those questions. But it's not to say that I wouldn't love to have someone to have that conversation with. And I feel like that's what I want going forward. I would love to have a point person there to actually have that conversation with, to ask the proper questions, and to make me feel seen. That I'm not just, I'm not, how do we fit?
that person into this particular role. Now, again, with Little Shop, it's a little bit different, just because I feel like the story itself makes sense from a black perspective. Seymour could absolutely be black. 100%.
Kira Troilo (50:28.703)
Mm-hmm.
Kira Troilo (50:35.903)
Absolutely.
Kira Troilo (50:40.838)
always could be black. He has the urchins that are black right outside his door.
Corbin Bleu (50:46.389)
And it's the same thing with Audrey. And I feel, so all of that makes sense. So that's why I said I don't think that I'm missing anything in Little Shop of Horrors. But I do know that going forward, I'm sure there's going to be other projects where I'm going to do some golden age work that we're going to be shoehorning me into a role that we're just going to…
Kira Troilo (51:06.783)
Yes.
Corbin Bleu (51:14.901)
be blind to and are just going to ignore certain questions. And I would love to actually address those questions. So having someone like you to ask the questions so that they can be answered and we can have the conversation, that's what I want going forward.
Kira Troilo (51:29.998)
Well, I'm working on it. We're gonna get them. This is a step. I mean, yeah, you know, I feel we need every, oh, go ahead, yeah.
Corbin Bleu (51:31.509)
haha
I was just going to say another wonderful thing that you brought to the table, not just questions about race and where we're in that, but even just the tone of a room and how do we address conflict?
Kira Troilo (51:47.678)
Mm-mm.
Kira Troilo (52:01.85)
Mm-hmm.
Corbin Bleu (52:01.877)
amongst people because not everything is about race. There's conflict in general. Whenever you're dealing with many minds coming together, trying to create something that is the sum is a whole lot greater than – the final product is a whole lot greater than the sum of its parts, you're going to have conflict. And how people talk to each other, how do we resolve those moments?
I feel like you gave everyone in Summer Stock such great tools. And they were things that everyone was very open to. And I feel like within the theater community especially, everyone is open to it. It's just about bringing it to the table and saying, hey, just so you know,
Kira Troilo (52:43.65)
Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (52:56.597)
This is how, if we go about it this way, this you could have a wonderful result. And Summersnack was such a great example of it that we tried it, we did it. And the camaraderie of that group was one of the most special groups. And it is truly, I have never worked on a project where months later, everyone still is getting together to hang out. Like,
We're all still on a group chat. That just doesn't happen. It's one thing of like, you know, Little Shop right now, the show is still going. And so everyone's on a group, we're in it. That show's over. And I have people that I talk to, of course, from shows that I've done in the past, that I still see and I still talk to all the time. But like, for everyone, everyone, to come together and still have that comradery, that's, it's wild.
Kira Troilo (53:29.326)
But yeah... No.
Kira Troilo (53:35.638)
You're in it, yeah.
Kira Troilo (53:44.642)
Mm-hmm.
Corbin Bleu (53:56.981)
And I feel like so much of that is just because of the dynamic that was from the beginning and that bar.
Kira Troilo (53:57.002)
It is so...
Kira Troilo (54:05.234)
and it... thank you. I'm like just every time I see on instagram like someone comes to see you in a show or support you know Kaylee's debut or you're all getting drinks like I just it makes me so happy and
Corbin Bleu (54:08.597)
Hahaha
Corbin Bleu (54:19.957)
Yeah.
Kira Troilo (54:20.254)
It is the case study of this is what happens in theater. We say we don't have time, we have to just go. We all pile into a room and start rehearsing. And we don't talk about like, who do we have gathered? Who's here? How do we wanna talk to each other? What are the ground rules we wanna set? And really, what you're talking about took an hour. I think Donna, you know, and Donna is a rare example. People usually are like, can you do it in 20 minutes? Donna's like, take 60 to 90 minutes. And I was like, great. And that's all it took.
Corbin Bleu (54:28.917)
Yes.
Corbin Bleu (54:45.525)
Yeah.
Kira Troilo (54:50.628)
We talked exactly about what kind of room we wanted to have and then we all had that like North Star from day one. And it, yeah, I mean you said it best. And it translated on stage. So yeah, I mean that is what I want. I want everyone to have that. I want there to be someone who can be in charge of the culture of a room. Because we just don't have that. We have to rely on parents or those friends or the outside support you're talking about. Yeah.
Corbin Bleu (54:57.365)
Yes.
Corbin Bleu (55:08.277)
No.
Corbin Bleu (55:18.997)
Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm going to just take a quick second to plug just because I also work with an incredible group. Well, I work with an incredible group called Looking Ahead. It's called the Looking Ahead Program, and it is sort of the youth division of the Entertainment Community Fund, formerly the Actors Fund. And I'm the national chair of this organization, and we work with kids in the industry.
Kira Troilo (55:25.299)
Please!
Kira Troilo (55:37.25)
That's right.
Corbin Bleu (55:45.845)
that are dealing with exactly what we're talking about, just being able to be seen, having a sense of normalcy, having North Star being guided, and they're another great organization that holds near and dear to my heart. So for me, they're specifically with kids, and I feel like it's just so, and while they are cut from the same cloth of everything that we're talking about right now.
Kira Troilo (55:52.67)
Mmm.
Kira Troilo (56:03.612)
Mm-hmm.
Corbin Bleu (56:13.749)
It's so important for everyone to be seen. So I appreciate everything that that organization does. I appreciate everything that you are doing. And know that you always have my full support. And I want to make your dream, your goal a reality because I now too share that same dream.
Kira Troilo (56:37.326)
Thank you. Well, thank you so much. And thank you for looking ahead too. We will, yeah, we will have that in the show notes. That is incredible. We need that work. And for someone who was a kid in the industry, yes. So yes, we are always aligned and I am always here to support you as well. But I just really, I can't tell you what this means to me. Thank you so, so much for taking time.
Corbin Bleu (56:38.389)
Yeah. Absolutely.
Corbin Bleu (56:47.829)
Yeah.
Kira Troilo (57:06.026)
This is just so important for folks to hear.
Corbin Bleu (57:09.653)
Thank you, Kara. I really appreciate you having me. It's so great to see you. And I hope I get to see you in person soon. Yeah, yeah.
Kira Troilo (57:17.282)
Fingers crossed. Thank you.
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